If A Magistrate judge finds sufficient evidence to establlish probable cause that there has been crimes commited and the GB doesnt show up they can t be extradited to face charges. It can be taken a step futher to International Criminal Court.
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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It's all here:
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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Well, it seems WTS attorney has swatted the horents nest...in more way then one....
The BG has always bought their way out of showing up in court.....well guess what.....
.Accused: GOVERNING BODY OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES
The accused failed to appear and was not represented by legal counsel.
Results: "The Magistrate recommended" that each member of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses also be individually charged over breaches of the Working with Children Act. The case was adjourned for four weeks. If the accused fails to appear at the next hearing then warrants can be issued for their arrest.
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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WTS numbers of JW's in Australia:
http://www.watchtower.org/e/statistics/worldwide_report.htm
Astralian Censes of JW's in Australia:
http://www.oktravel.com.au/statistics/religion/jehovahs-witnesses/
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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Sorry to be a pain, however, don't know if anyone has seen this on Facebook! "More" info about the case......
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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Though it's not on the books as such"Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" in Austrailia, family tree points to the GB as head of " all world wide"
Crown Court will prosecute, person, group, corporation, unincorporated ......will be interesting to see who GB let's take the fall......the brothers in Austrialia, BG, or FDS....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporations_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses
Also fron another JWN thread:
Many members of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and their families, are now demanding the immediate resignation or removal of the entire Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the entire Board of Directors of the Watch Tower Society as well as the forming of church-based Judicial Committees in relation to these serious child abuse charges. This has been made even more urgent by the fact that every charge is an indictable criminal offence, with the victim being a child, and every alleged perpetrator being a current church elder holding a position of responsibility within the religion.
In commenting on the filing of the criminal charges in the Magistrates’ Court today, Mr Steven Unthank has released the following personal statement
“The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society knew about these child protection laws and refused to comply from the outset. They were notified well before the laws were made compulsory for “religious organisations.”
“They ignored the counsel and the need to comply. They were then warned that they could face criminal charges. They did nothing about it and nothing to protect the children and nothing to protect the name and reputation of the church.
“Even the Department of Justice notified them and offered to assist them in complying with mandatory child safety laws. This included an offer to conduct training and information sessions. The State Government had previously waived all the fees so that the religion could comply without a financial burden to anyone. The Governing Body and the Watch Tower Society completely ignored the offer of help.
“Again they were informed that they were still facing imminent charges and were given an opportunity to sort the matter out. They refused mediation.
“They were also given the opportunity to have the complaints of serious wrongdoing and allegations of breaches of child protection laws heard within the church format under the religious category of “sins”. They refused to even conduct an initial investigation to establish whether there is substance to the report and whether evidence is available showing that a serious sin actually has been committed.
“So now the complaints will be heard under the Criminal Code as indictable “crimes”. This was approved following an initial investigation by the Department of Justice to establish whether there is substance to the report and whether evidence is available showing that an indictable crime may have actually been committed.
“Why they never contacted the one complaining against them at law to settle the matter quickly while they were on the way to court is serious cause for alarm. To contact the “complainant” before he officially becomes the “informant” is church doctrine and a religious obligation. To sort out a dispute before it gets to court is not negotiable within the church format. It must be done. If absolutely no attempt is made, then the accused loses all rights of objection to having been charged with an offence under criminal law.
“The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society outright refused to follow their very own procedures. They now have only have themselves to blame. You reap what you sow.
“These men are no longer free from accusation and neither do they have a fine testimony even from people on the outside of the congregation. They are no longer blameless.
“As of 31 March 2011, 738,563 adults from all walks of life within the Victorian community have formally complied with the Working with Children laws and undergone child safety checks to verify that they are not convicted criminals, so that they can continue their duties within the organisations they work or volunteer in and where children are present.
“The Victorian community will not tolerate any religious organisation that refuses to comply with mandatory child protection laws with claims that their church elders and officers are exempt from child protection laws. They are not and any claim of being “exempt”, regardless of who issued that claim, is an outright lie. The Department of Justice has not issued any exemption to any religious organisation. These child protection laws apply to “religious organisations” by default.
“Children form part of every congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Elders are appointed by the Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses as overseers in each congregation. As overseers they are continually instructed that part of their Internal Ministry involves shepherding the children and being available to assist children, help children, mentor children, and to encourage children to join the the local congregations Ministry School as a student. This is called working with children.
“The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower society have refused to comply with legal requirements in relation to the activities of their appointed corporate officers and representatives and elders. For refusing to comply they have been criminally charged under corporate law literally in relation to their activities as corporate officers of a “religious organisation.”
“This has never had anything to do with preaching activities and the preaching work of the members of the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Those activities are protected under freedom of religion. The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society have always been made aware of this undisputed fact.
“They ignored the counsel and as a result have been charged with criminal offences. You can’t undo being charged. You can’t hide being charged. You can’t deny being charged. Once charged with committing criminal offences against children always charged. This is child abuse. Negligent child abuse that has resulted in being charged with the committing of indictable criminal offences against children.
“These men are no longer irreprehensible. They refused to protect the children and the church. They abandoned the congregation and the children.
“And now that they’re held accountable will they be the loudest to scream violations of human rights and freedom of religion and religious persecution?
“Not likely! Corporations do not have human rights. Only humans have human rights. Freedom of Religion only applies to humans. It does not apply to corporations or unincorporated bodies and associations. And as for any claim of Religious Persecution–being held accountable for the committing of criminal offences against children can hardly be the basis for one’s claim of being persecuted.
“It’s time for these men to be removed from their office of overseer. They themselves have gone on record and said that “anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his responsibilities without hesitation.”
“It’s time for their own removal. Or will they have themselves declared righteous and claim that they are exempt from their own rules they enforce within the congregation?
“A ten point Special Resolution was presented earlier this year to the Voting Members of the Watch Tower Society for adoption. The resolution appears on page 589 of the 664 page Religious Manifesto entitled “A Submission”.
“This Religious Manifesto, which provides damning evidence of the breadth and scope of criminal activities being committed within the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia, is the very same document that was thoroughly reviewed by the Department of Justice before the Chief Magistrate authorised the filing of criminal charges against the entire Committee of Management for the Religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses, namely the entire worldwide religious and corporate hierarchy of the church of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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The fact that the wts/gb issued cards AFTER they were brought to court bears no weight...still looks bad.
When a law is issued and you break it, you will be prosecuted. For instance you know it's against the law to buy or take drugs.....you're caught with them, you do the time.....you can't say.......oh I'm not doing them now.....they were just in my pocket..............or you run a red light.....and tell the police officer....oh I didn't see the red light.......you're still going to get a ticket......or you kill someone and there's proof......all the excuses in the world won't excuse you......may make the penalty lower.......however, will still get charged. And it's not like there's not been enough child abuse cases for the record....
Also, the fact that the WTS/via attorney has stated there's not a JW cong, is a HUGE "red flag"...though it's not offically on the books....... the court knows there is by seeing them on the streets or having them come to the doors of many ...or via internet or video.......and I'm sure Mr Unthank can prove there is. The pink elephant is in the room.
Would be great if The Crown has this mind set....."we are going to make an example of you".... making that statement to the world..........fingers crossed....
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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And a side note to JW's who are watching this thead........
I WAS FUCKING SEXUALLY ABUSED BY A JW BROTHER WHEN I WAS 6 YEARS OLD.....(TRUE).... HOPE THIS GOES ALL THE WAY......
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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The REAL issue isn't the FDS (that just come out)......the issue is non compliance with a "law that involves children".
The court prosecution needs to be informed that there has been much "child abuse" "within the WTS" ...(maybe in Aussie Land) or anywhere else AND HOW IT IS HANDLED WITHIN THE WTS "WORLD WIDE"! (me thinks would make sense)
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Victoria, Australia: Report on Oct. 11th hearing involving Steven Unthank
by AndersonsInfo invictoria, australia: report on oct. 11th hearing involving steven unthank.
(this report is from an anonymous xjw who attended the hearing.
i had no plans to turn up to the court hearing as an observer, as in my experience, it can take several hearings and a number of months before any court case gets rolling.
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I'm wondering if Mr Unthank needs help gathering various hard copy (books, wt,) to take to court (he may not have) showing who the FDS is. Is there anyone out there able to help him?? Proof is always crucial to a case. Just a thought...